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I very much encourage you to read the LJ post by [livejournal.com profile] mephron linked to below (even if you skip the rest of this post).

Ok, we've been having 'random' searches at airports for a while now, and a lot of people have reported it's not even close to random. People who are off from mainstream reportedly find themselves searched "for security" "randomly" on each and every leg of their journeys. The security folks haven't had anything close to the training we typically give police forces, and there's reports enough over the last 10 years of inappropriate police profiling. So it's not much wonder that these minimally-trained security folks can't shake the idea that they're looking for 'someone doing or having something wrong' whether it's a security 'wrong' or not. I guess we thus find them feeling like they should search anyone they find weird.

More or less, we're back in the 1950s -- the 1950s USSR. It should thus come as no wonder then that we're starting to hear about security personnel abusing the power of search and seizure to enforce their personal beliefs on the unsuspecting, defenseless public. In this era of hype, we have forgotten to up the penalties on abuse of power. 50 to 1 says the abusive guard -- at worst -- gets reprimanded or fired. I believe he should be slapped in prison as the worst kind of terrorist: the kind that, given a sacred trust, abuses it to harm those he's sworn to protect.

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Date: 2004-08-11 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keyne.livejournal.com
Words fail me.

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Date: 2004-08-11 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keyne.livejournal.com
OK, they don't entirely. See the BoingBoing followup:
Just spoke with people from New York Waterway, who say:

1. They're trying to track down mephron (the original poster) to get more detailed information from him--e.g., time and ferry route.

2. If the story is true, it is not only a violation of company policy, but also of martime regulations, and if it is true, they wish to correct the situation as quickly as possible.

3. Anyone with further information about it are invited to contact them directly.


They're idiots if they haven't "tracked him down" already -- his resume is a few clicks away from that entry -- but it's a start.

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Date: 2004-08-12 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] docstrange.livejournal.com
Hrm. Well, that's something. It's a pity the kid has to stick his neck out. It's also a pity the guard is probably only subject to internal disciplinary action, and not criminal charges. Abuse of financial trust, we call "embezzlement," but we have no felony term for abuse of a public trust.

HI!

Date: 2004-08-12 01:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mephron
I'm 35. 'kid' is not the word I'd use....

Re: HI!

Date: 2004-08-12 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] docstrange.livejournal.com
Argh. Sorry about that! Being an old fart myself (37), I understand rankling at the assumption. In any event, rephrasing: "It's a pity the fellow has to stick his neck out." Really, the guard should be seriously reprimanded, but it's lousy that in order for him to receive his due, you would have to become further involved. I wonder how many other little experiments he and other ones have undertaken without being called on it.

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Date: 2004-08-11 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chorus.livejournal.com
This will teach people to mock me when I make comparisons between our society and communist Russia.

Boy, oh, boy, could I have lived without being proven right.

I actually read this earlier. I didn't post about it because I'm still completely flabbergasted. And I still have this slim hope that a change of President will change this, so I keep thinking, you know, if we can just get through the shite that is 2004.

I think you're probabably right about what will happen to the guard, although maybe if we're really lucky the fact that it's getting a lot of exposure will help...

...ain't holdin' my breath, though.

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Date: 2004-08-11 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheesetruck.livejournal.com
No no that's MY comment.

I continue to say I dislike living in Communist Russia.

My stuff is in Communist Russia, but I'm not.

I live in fucking Communist Russia.

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Date: 2004-08-11 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chorus.livejournal.com
See, I posted something along these lines earlier this year, and people gave me grief for it.

Not you, obviously.

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Date: 2004-08-12 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] docstrange.livejournal.com
Well, we'll see how the Party does in the election.

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Date: 2004-08-11 10:12 pm (UTC)
ivy: Two strands of ivy against a red wall (black jasper raven)
From: [personal profile] ivy
That is horrible. I thought my airline stories were bad, but this guy wins hands down. Aiee. I hope they find the "confiscate the book" guy and fire him. And I'm sure that the guy will get all bitter and believe that he was "just trying to protect national security". From ideas. Ones he doesn't like. [facepalm]

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Date: 2004-08-12 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] docstrange.livejournal.com
Your airline stories, plus several consistent harassments that I directly witnessed, were what I immediately thought of. You're right -- the guard will probably feel he was in the right. It's hard enough finding good police personnel; when you expand the realm so wide, you will get the ones with their own, special axe to grind (which the police academy might have weeded out already).

On the other hand

Date: 2004-08-12 09:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marsgov.livejournal.com
I was just about to write and post an essay on discretion and national security, and then I read your story.

Stand by, as I've a lot of stuff to do, but I will post a link to a different view on discretion Real Soon Now.

Re: On the other hand

Date: 2004-08-12 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] docstrange.livejournal.com
Great! Keep in mind, I differentiate between empowering nitwits with discretionary authority, and empowering trained, intelligent personnel who are both trusted and made highly liable for abuse of trust. But empowering the carwash attendant to search customers is just a wee out of touch with human reality.

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